San Francisco Social Interactions

I had both @baelentina_ and @NicoleSHsing over for some tea and to discuss different social interactions you might experience in San Francisco.
We broke them down into four main categories:
- networking
- parties
- confrontation
- dating

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Transcript

@baelentina_ cold open

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hello, everybody. I'm here with your beautiful host, Jaden Clark. He likes to put his full name on. And we're doing Motz with myself and Nicole today. Hello. Thank you very much.

unknown 0:15

It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 0:16

It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

I like it.

SPEAKER_03 0:18

We will be talking about San Francisco social interactions today. We have a full agenda ready, ready to go, packed, loaded. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

I wouldn't have it any other way. I wouldn't have it any other way. Right?

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Just just only packed and loaded in this house. Of course.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Just just the just the MOTS co-hosts. It is a Wednesday evening at like 9 p.m. Uh reading tweets.

SPEAKER_02 0:43

We had the podcast before the podcast. We had a whole debrief before this where we went all in and we will be going even more all in right now with you.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Exactly. And we will have the funniest tweets only. This is gonna be the best one yet.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Of course, the the best tweets, um, some of the greatest posts in the history of posts, some might actually say. Uh, and they do tend to be friends of the show.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

And only half of them are sponsored by A16Z.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Hey, she said it. She said it. I'm the one that owns the fucking company. Uh so it's like uh uh yeah yeah. I reflect the views of Mots, um, everything that I say. Yeah. Uh so so yeah. But anyway, I'll leave that in. That'll be fine. Um so yes, as Valentina said, we are covering social interactions in San Francisco. Now, that of course is a very, very, very broad topic, um, but it encompasses a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

A lot of tea!

SPEAKER_01 1:43

I can't even speak. Um but basically we think about all the different kinds of uh all the all the different kinds of interactions one might have. And I have gone ahead, we have gone ahead and grouped them into four different segments, four different types of interactions. And we'll cover them all today. First of all, I must make a shout out to Zoe Computer. Um lovely Zoe Computer. Basically, the open claw before it was cool, and in fact, I would actually say it is um it is actually the cooler version of OpenClaw because you can actually use it. It doesn't actually take like an hour to see.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

I didn't even need a Mac Mini to try it out, yeah. Of course, of course.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

In hosted in the cloud, of course, your personal assistant, build apps, build automations. Zoe helps you do that. Um, I tend to like Ben, I tend to like Jamie, tend to like Tiff. The whole the whole Zoe family, I mean um Mots Valentine's Day, in which we were both A Rajo. That's incredible. Incredible. So thank you, Zoe Computer. Go ahead and check them out. Um, quite frankly, if you've been, you know, if you if you watch or listen to Mots day in and day out and you just you actually haven't checked them out, um you're a fucking idiot. So so fake. Yeah, I mean it's like what are you like what are you doing here? What are you doing here?

SPEAKER_03 2:53

You actually should. It's actually super offensive.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

It it is good. It is good, I must, I must say. I must say. Um, if I do say so myself. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:00

They're not paying you to say that. No, couldn't know. No, definitely. Do you think this laptop makes me look extra tiny? That's why I wanted to hold it. I just wanted to feel so tiny.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

Giant laptop.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

No, it's a normal, it's a 13-inch.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Is that big? Anyway. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's absolutely chaos. I mean, you know, as I just wanted to say, I mean, for the for the ad reads, I mean, you know, usually those, you know, usually ad reads, they're sort of done in sort of like a like a Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Um, what Mott's is doing is basically uh insulting the audience if you don't buy the thing. So we're actually just trying this slightly different.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

We're actually just brute forcing it.

unknown 3:39

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 3:41

If you don't try it, you're stupid. That's basically the strategy. That's the growth strategy.

networking events

SPEAKER_01 3:48

This is new media. Um so I think to get into this here, because so thank you, Zoe. Um, they got a lot out of that ad read. Uh basically, we're we're we're starting with we're starting with networking. We're starting with networking, right? The classic um, you know, so much shit is talked about networking in San Francisco. I mean, and and just in general, but you know, as I always like to say, San Francisco is a mining town. You know, you ask somebody what they've been up to, they're likely going to say work. They're likely going to say work. And that is okay, right? That is fine, right? People do really well in San Francisco. People come to San Francisco to work. They come to, you know, usually, uh well, I say usually, it is a city of transplants. And so all of these opportunities to try and meet people, to do business with people. A lot of people are in town raising and then they leave. A lot of people are in town because they want access to capital, all of these sorts of things, totally fine, right? We are for this. Uh, I've done it before. I think we've all done it before.

SPEAKER_03 4:47

You've been there, we've all been there.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

I mean, unless Valentine hasn't been.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

Nicole's in the trenches right now. She had a startup. Me? No, I have never started a company in my life. Kidding me?

SPEAKER_01 4:56

You've been to networking events, though.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

Yeah. Oh my god. When I was early in my VC days, oh forget it. I feel like I had to get to know everybody in town. I was going to like the worst networking event. Oh. Going to everything, including the yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Oh my god, like the free Luma thingies with the like. Oh my god. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Oh, so like the open, the open events that are on the on the party after.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

Well, at that point, that wasn't even a thing my first year. Right. Like Lumen Partival hadn't caught up yet in that part of the world. So I was just like, just like, oh, I heard about this thing, and then everyone would show up, and like there were people there that I am so convinced just didn't have like, you know, maybe like a stable source of anything because they were always at these events just eating food. And I would run into the same two guys specifically. And they were just always eating and like kind of there. Like they I couldn't tell really what they were working on. I'm like, these there could just be homeless people here.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Yeah. Doing the networking event rounds. Oh my god, they got like the they got like the 24-hour fitness memberships to take showers and they just hit up like random networking events to get it.

SPEAKER_03 5:57

And it was like this crazy vibe, and I was like, oh my god, I need to change something. Yeah, make some changes. I need to go find the normal people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, or yeah. Yeah. It was literally like I'm telling you, go into everything. All the some really good ones, and like just everything else, too. Because I felt like I needed to. I was like, I just need to know everybody.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

That definitely makes sense. I mean, you know, I mean, on the other hand, Nicole, I mean, she gets the urge to stab people.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

You will not see me at any networking events. I'm sorry. I like I went to like two. Oh, total, like maybe two. I was like, yeah, I'll do the little like go to the VC funded event. Mm-mm, not not for me. You ask me what I'm building, I will literally just can't, I can't. What if I asked you out to dinner? And then actually Amazon sponsored it. Okay, the sponsored dinners are good because I'm like fed, I'm like, I appreciate the food. What are you building? What school did you go to? I I will just make shit up. I'll be like, I went to clown school, like just to just for entertainment. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Like when I was when I was building a B2B Sass startup, I used to say I was I'm actually the inventor of B2B Sass. Yeah, it's like I was like, oh, I'm just bringing B2B sass to the Bay Area. You know, I'm an Australian, I'm actually bringing it, you know, what what Silicon Valley needs is more B2B Sass. Um well actually, you know, I'm act I'm actually the one bringing it. So that's that's what I used to say.

SPEAKER_03 7:20

Sassy Australian as a service.

talking the book

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Goodness. Well, I mean, I was about to say, I feel like it, I feel like it was actually a bit rude. Because, you know, it's like like it's it's it's probably a bit too sassy. Anyway, it's one of those things, classic interactions, right? I do think um, and you know, it kind of like ties into the whole water building. Of course, if you go into networking events, I do think it's par for the course. I think when it really starts to get into the territory of like, alright, we're you know, now we really need to be sort of uh, you know, getting off of our books a little bit, getting off of talking out of uh talking our books, not to be confused with uh getting off by talking your book, which is which is what people actually also do.

SPEAKER_03 8:01

Yeah. Yeah. The former pharaoh people, yeah. Or oh my god, what's that? There was like this tweet of this girl who read a ton of books and like all the books were smart. Yeah. All the books were what? Smite. Oh, I I saw that, I saw that, I saw that.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

I I'll I'll see if if I can find deep into my goon, like my goon folder, just like to try and find it in the bookmarks, try and find it. Uh-huh. Okay. Speaking of bookmarks, let's get up the first tweet here. Um, okay, I'm passing.

SPEAKER_03 8:30

You're covering my outfit.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Real. I'm just the boy.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:38

Anyway, you guys can see me now. See my outfit now. The fit, fit, chuck bitch.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Not having like this 16-inch like giant chungus laptop covering the fit. Like, yeah, it's kind of bad.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

They just saw my head beat. The laptop is your fit. That was the fit.

@RaeAlisa_ reaction

SPEAKER_01 8:56

Finally, yeah, it's like, oh, you're actually looking very nice today, Valentine. Couldn't see you over the laptop. Uh, anyway, uh, it's this, it's the it's the good kind of controlled chaos here. I want to start off with a post from friend of the show, Alyssa. Um, so she said, and you know, I can I can kind of hold it out here so we can kind of start.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

So, I'm loveless.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

Friend of the show, friend of the show. So she was like, Um, this was back in well, actually July last year. She's like, B girl in SF goes to a tech party, agrees to be in a stranger's TikTok. TikTok goes viral, wakes up with 1,000 LinkedIn requests. Chat is this networking.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

So good.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

You know, funny.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Who's tech what was the TikTok?

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Um, it looks like it is, so yeah, yeah. So she posted a an image, a screenshot of a guy called Derek Hacks. Okay. And wow, it actually did it went quite viral on Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 9:50

Like a vertical, can I get your LinkedIn? Oh god.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

Oh yeah, yeah. So um, so so so there's that. I mean Actually, you know what? I think at the the the in the networking events and like the parties that I've been to, there's actually not really been anybody that that have done sort of these roving interviews.

SPEAKER_03 10:08

Um that's because it's because I haven't been to a YC demo day in a while.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Real, real, uh Paging Gary Tan. Please, please let us into the next demo day. We are normal and can be trusted with the early stage founders.

SPEAKER_02 10:22

We'll maybe be doing a little short form. I don't think I'm going to a YC demo day anytime soon.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Come as come as the third MOTS co-host. We'll just send everybody around with like DJI mics interviews.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Honestly, I would be so down to do that for YC. I would be so irritated. Gary Tan, note this.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

I had I had a great time doing it at um the YC DMA, whatever the season. I forget the season. Uh winter.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Oh yeah. Okay. Well, there's so many seasons.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:51

They added one, right? Yeah, yeah, they got they've got four batches now. Four batches now.

SPEAKER_01 10:55

Yep, yep, yep, exactly. So, yep, paging Gary Tan. Um, yeah, more types of uh uh interactions in SF is actually just interviewing people with DJ IMAX with Chinese microphones. It's so fun, but it is, it is. It is very fun.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Yapping is just fun. Yapping, period.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Yes, everyone, yeah. The world needs more podcasts, podcasting industrial complex. Okay, um looking uh looking here to this next post, we got uh Son of Allie, another friend of the show. This was from uh similar time last year. I do remember like similar time last year. For whatever reason, like we were all just posting about SF parties. Maybe nothing was happening in the world. It was just like SF parties and like, you know, we had like an AI plateau.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Iran hadn't happened. Wait, what month was this? July.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

This was May. And the last one was like, the last one I think was July. Okay, Iran, that was Jinn. That was Jin. That's how terminally online I am. I remember it.

SPEAKER_03 11:49

Wow. I remember because Hope Hope's hosting was posting about this. It was right after that.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Yes, I remember it because yeah, like famed foreign policy correspondent Hope's Revenge was was posting. Have you seen Hope's Revenge, right? No, I don't think it's the hamster account that speaks with spaces.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

What?

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Uh we'll get to it in minutes.

@sonofalli reaction + is it a date or is it networking?

SPEAKER_02 12:11

Oh my god. I'm I probably have seen it at some point, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

You're a walking, you're a walking green flag, Nicole. I mean, I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:19

That and the stabbing people, I want her on my side.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

Okay, so son of Ali, so she says, My favorite game to play in SF is is this a networking chat or a date?

SPEAKER_02 12:30

We were talking about. Oh my god, this is like this is like the woman this is like literally, yes. That this happens all the time.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

You're getting this a lot right now.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

I have gotten this a lot since I moved my foot onto SF land. Like every single text is like, let's get coffee. And then I'm like, fuck yeah. And then I'm like, why is this man looking at me with this little side eye kind of thing? Like, I thought we were just gonna talk about like what we're building, like, because sometimes I like doing that. Sometimes I like networking because like what like sometimes it's necessary. I like intentional networking, I'm okay with.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

Okay, like we're I don't know, we're gonna even, or like, you know, we're like getting a coffee, we're talking about our work. Like, we love networking when you know there's a place for everything, of course. We love our jobs, but and then isn't that plausible deniability ass thing?

SPEAKER_02 13:25

Yeah, but then I like go to the coffee thing and then they're looking at me like I don't know how to do it. What is the man like? You know when a man likes you and the man's just they start they they just start doing this, like oh my god, God forbid hands together.

SPEAKER_03 13:42

That would be oh my god, that'd be so funny.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

Hey yo, women wim a hugger.

SPEAKER_03 13:49

Literally.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

But they're just like you can tell they're just like awkwardly trying to vibe. Yeah, there's a vi there's an aura. Yeah, and then I'm immediately trying to shift the aura to like Important.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

To back to networking.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Back to like networking, or like, I like stabbing people. I'm kind of insane. Maybe you don't want to date me because I like stabbing people and like as off-porting as possible. And it doesn't work. It doesn't work. Contrary to belief, SF men are weird and they actually like that. So it doesn't work.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

They they like the weird autistic, like what you know, what would be considered to be red flags. Yes. Yeah, I mean, I actually think it's a green flag. There's the whole, there's the whole, you know, sort of like angsty gym bro meme of like, you know, need me like a BPD, goth, ABG girly to like break my heart or some bullshit.

SPEAKER_03 14:40

And Nicole's like, she's like busy, she's like charismatic. She doesn't even give BPD. She's just like, yeah, you know, like I love fighting, but also I love working. I'm a very serious, non-serious. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

I'm just a very passionate woman, and I think that comes across, and then I'm trying to be off-putting, but I seem more passionate. Exactly. Then like guys are like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Come across as very passionate, and they're like, I I like that.

SPEAKER_02 15:04

High agency.

SPEAKER_03 15:05

How my agency in her she likes to, she likes things that other people don't like.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

She's more agenic than my agent. Like the green flag is basically what happened.

@beffjezos reaction + upside to SF networking

SPEAKER_01 15:14

Yeah, we love a woman that's agentic. Um, okay, so last one here I wanted to react to. Um, this is okay, so this is like a vintage Bef Jazos post, actually. Mr. Mr. Mr. Beth Jazo. So this was from 2023. He says, I literally haven't stepped out of the remote monk mode palace since leaving SF. Lift work post or from the compound. Anything else feels low alpha. SF is the only city I feel like the networking has sufficient upside to warrant the time, opportunity, cost of going out. Um, you know, I mean, any thoughts? I don't really have much experience with this. I mean, I spent I've spent a bit of time in New York City, uh, but you know, I've I've lived in Sydney. I do feel like whenever I've been, you know, spending meaningful time in Sydney, I do tend to just lock myself away because I'm like, okay, whatever the fuck, like, who cares? Or I go to the gym or to the beach or something, but it's like, you know. So it feels like there is something to that. Although, uh, yeah, the networking could also just be like, I don't know, uh going to cool parties like MOTS parties or something. And I wouldn't consider that networking, um, you know, that's just that that happens to be my network, and my network is just my friends. It's kind of nice, actually.

SPEAKER_03 16:25

It's kind of beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Yeah, that's kind of cool. It's kind of beautiful when you think about it.

SPEAKER_03 16:29

That's the goal.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

I mean, I think he's right. There's like no, I feel like we have like the highest GDP, like higher GDP than some entire countries.

SPEAKER_04 16:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 16:38

So there's just a lot of capital floating around. It's probably a good place to go and network. Yeah, there's a lot of like available capital floating around. It's not like tied up into like um I mean it is tied up into one industry, but it's also like the same industry that everyone works in. So it is probably opportunistically the best place to go network, for sure. And I think this does tie in to the It is so opportunistic that it's also like you don't even have to try to network that much. It's kind of like, yeah, you can just actually be friends.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

Go and be cool, is what I tell everybody who moves in there. So it's just just be cool. You know, you don't have to ask people for stuff. You can just like ask them how their day is.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:14

And get their name.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Get their name.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

So many people, so many people forget this one simple trick.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

Like, what is your name? Like, how is your day? Instead of like, what are you building? Like, let's let's relax.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

For the longest time, I don't know what most of you guys did for a living.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Green flags. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, I still don't know what I do for a living.

SPEAKER_03 17:34

We're figuring it out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Mysterious source of income. Half employee.

SPEAKER_03 17:39

Oh my god, yeah. People think I'm unemployed. Yeah, they're like, you just have like that. Well, it's because I'm not always talking about my job. Not yet, at least.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

No, but just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Big things coming.

SPEAKER_03 17:50

Yeah, big things coming.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Making moves in silence. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

Still, still. But I love that though. I'm just like, yeah, I'd rather people think I'm like some mysterious Napo baby. That's kind of aura. It's kind of aura.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

I agree. I agree. Um, with this, we're kind of gonna meld these two uh into one because I think they are they're actually quite related. First, I must give a shout out to Blackbox AI. Blackbox not AI. Of course. Of course. Of course. But what were you saying beforehand? You was just like, like, oh, like like some sort of like Mots Napa trip sponsored by Black Nature.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

We were talking about a Moth's Napa trip, and I was like, Blackbox AI should sponsor it, and I will get a Zoe computer temporary tattoo on my abs or something ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

I mean, this is this is the future of media, right? This is the newest media, right? I'm actually coining newest media. Newest. We're taking the we're taking the we're taking the cake for newest media, right? Newest ad slots, right? We are walking billboards, and that's fine, actually. It's fine. I'm all I'm auctioning off my arms as we speak. Um honestly, black box. Don't mind if we do. I mean, black box, what they're doing, they're building autonomous coding agents. So the great thing about, you know, uh having the girlies over for tea is that I get to tell them about autonomous coding agents and blackbox.ai and you know, uh, you know, like how the founders can do lots of push-ups and stuff. They actually can. They're actually pretty cool. Um, you know, but they've scaled to over 30 million users. Pretty cool, pretty cool. I mean, it's uh we're kind of we're kind of getting there. Um they are a serious company and they allow users to launch from one platform. They can launch all the coding agents you want from one spot. Kind of cool, kinda cool. Seems to be what a lot of people are doing, actually, right? Going home from the parties to check their anxieties. Yes. So funny you say that because you can actually run both of them from Blackbox. She knows. She fucking knows.

SPEAKER_04 19:41

They're a video game. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

And they actually call it they they call it Claudex, one of their features.

SPEAKER_04 19:47

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Yeah. So you can actually, you know, maybe you want to write you wanna write your code with clawed code. And then you want to have what were you gonna say?

SPEAKER_04 19:55

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Okay, okay. What I was saying is that, you know, you could you could you can write your code with clawed code. Perhaps you prefer clawed code, perhaps you prefer the output from one of, you know, clawed code, um, and you prefer codecs to uh review code from you. Rather than switching between agents all the time, you can just you can run both of them, you can set up those workflows in black box, right? Like 30 million plus users are actually doing. Pretty big, pretty big, it's actually very, very big overseas.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

You might have to might have to check it out. I I've been so I've been a full Claude Code lover, but black box black box is on easy.

SF parties

SPEAKER_01 20:30

I mean so I've been using codecs mostly. So I've been on the other side. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So, you know, in order to try both, I can just use black box. There you go. So check them out. Um Joco Willis is an investor, kind of fun. That's fine. Value alignment with me, the gym and shit. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking use them. Okay, so parties, parties, parties, parties, parties. We're talking about parties.

SPEAKER_02 20:55

Oh, we love parties.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Yes. So the interactions. Again, they kind of cross over with the networking events, right? Because I mean, well, actually, like that's the thing with all of these subtopics, right? Networking, parties, we'll get into dating, we'll get into confrontation. They all cross over, you know? Sometimes you can't even tell which one is which.

unknown 21:13

Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:14

I could tell. Oh, I mean, I get it. Like, is it a is it a date? Is it a no?

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Well, sometimes even sometimes parties, like, you know, uh, they're like people are so busy in San Francisco.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

And sometimes you go to a party and do they feel like friends or do they feel like coworkers?

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Oh I said we were going. We were going different directions.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

Yeah, we went the other. Yeah, I thought we were going the same direction and then we just where I was going is that what happens on a literal like coffee date versus like networking coffee. That this is literally the value misalignment.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Unfortunate, it's unfortunate, and it happens a lot.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

We need a translator no just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Yeah, I know, I know. Drock auto translate where are you at? San Francisco dates. But start speaking. Japanese. Yeah. Anyway. But basically. Don't mind if we do. Mind if a white boy speaks a little Japanese. Hashtag ohio gossip. Anyway. Off the rails. Just fucking chaos. Basically, what what I the point that I wanted to make with the parties is that what I've also noticed, and I am gonna start tweeting about this. I've just thought of that just then. Okay. I'm gonna make it a bit. Um is that you make it a threat?

SPEAKER_03 22:26

Yeah. I am gonna start tweeting.

taking dates to SF parties

SPEAKER_01 22:28

I'm gonna fucking do it. Um I think I think it's I think it's I think it's something that people should take notice in the culture. But because people are so busy in SF, right? And everything's revolved about around work, and it's like, you know, I do think people um that there's the whole like meme of like, oh no, no dating till series B or whatever the hell. It's always like run by some like weird, I mean a bit of a drive-by, but it's kind of weird. It's strange. Um but you know, like those sorts of things, but you know, human nature is like okay, you know, contact with other humans, um sex, you know, again, you know, we're all adults here, MOT's listeners are adults, we're allowed to say that word. Um and so, you know, what I noticed with the parties is that they end up also being excuses for for dates, right? It's like, oh, well, we weren't able to catch up this week, but I'm going to this partiful uh come with me. And it's like oftentimes it's like, oh, they just met they they've been on one day.

SPEAKER_03 23:24

No, that's such a good, like nuance, really good captor. I noticed this all the time. Insightful time. You're smart guys. That's actually true. It's like no that dude, that's literally how me and my boyfriend kind of started seeing the Mario because bro would hit me up every day, partiful, partiful. Hey, are you going to say I was like, yeah, I guess. And he's like, oh, I'll pick you up, I'll meet you right before it, like, we'll go together. And I it I mean, it low key worked, but it is a good, I mean, it is a strategy that exists. You're right, specifically here.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Yes, I have not seen this. I have to do this.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

No, I've never seen this in New York or Miami. This is so true. It's like, just send the girl a partiful. It's like, are you going this? Are you going this? Okay, I'll pick you up. Like, perfect date. Don't even have to pay for anything, like, don't even have to plan anything.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

Or like, he'll be, you know, I'll defend him. It was like, at first he was like, Oh, you're good, but then eventually he was like, you know, like we can meet up before, like do a dinner, do something before, and then we'll go to this. But it was like an excuse to like some possible, not possible denial, but it's like, oh, if you're going to this, then like, you know, it'll be kind of like a planned thing.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:27

Yeah, it's like an anchor.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Totally, totally. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:31

But you're right, a lot of people are just like, yeah, we're not even paying for anything.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

I mean, it's hard. It's really good.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Like, oh, like I don't have to, you know, yeah, I don't have to do like a dinner or whatever. You know, we can we can dress up and it's all for free. Maybe I'll pay for the Waymo or something. No, yeah. That's about it.

SPEAKER_04 24:45

We can split it.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Split the ride. You all got Venmo. Anyway. Nicole, now that I bring up this point, do you do you has this happened to you before?

SPEAKER_02 24:55

Where a guy is like, do you want to go to this partiful thing before? Yeah, like like have- Well, let's meet up before and then like go to the partiful thing.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Yeah. You find that has happened?

SPEAKER_02 25:10

This has happened where like I'm I'm like super flighty and super busy. So a lot of guys will be like, Do you want to meet up before this event? Like, are you going? And I'm like, oh my god, yeah. And then one time one time, like a couple of guys asked me this on this for the same event, and I was like, I was like, oh my god, let's all share an Uber together. Because I didn't know. They were like, wait, yeah, like they were like, Wait, and then they were like, one of them was like, wait, but I want to get dinner with you before and go with you alone. I was like, oh, all the guys. And then I and then it made more sense. Then I got the insight you got where it's like they use that as part of the date. And then I was like, oh.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

It's just so convenient, right? I mean, I think, yeah, everybody's so busy, they're always looking for convenience. And I do think, and I do think, and you know, I I like to try and be um somewhat of an ally here, um, but it is very, very low effort. Very, very low effort.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

It's just like it's very smart.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

But how how long can they get away with that for?

SPEAKER_03 26:21

And I agree. I think that like the reason why it worked the first week was we were already in the same friend group, so we were kind of actually going to the same things. And then it was like, you know, it was maybe a week of like, you know, this, like they were probably three events together, and then he was like, Okay, let's go to dinner. Yes, and like, you know, a nice good plan, and like whatever. But that's true. It was like at least three times.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

Just partifles.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Hey, we got plus one me. I'll plus one you.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

What were the partiful events you guys went to together? So one of them was like, there's like this group that goes to Banya every Monday. One of them was like that. Yeah, yeah. And then the other one was this is also in September. So another one was, I don't know, I'll have to like I'd have to like check the calendar, but there was like another one on Wednesday. His birthday was a partiful that he sent to me. Also, it's true. And it started with his birthday, then the Banya, then like that week, he sent me like one more thing that we went to together, and then uh, yeah, like maybe the week when we got back, he was like, Are you into this?

SPEAKER_01 27:24

It's a it's a it's a strategy, it's a play. As long as you know, as long as it's like, you know, moved on from relatively quickly. But you know like hey, kudos to him. Kudos to him.

SPEAKER_03 27:33

It was it was pretty quick. Yeah, the one-on-one.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Good man. He knows, he knows. Okay, some of these tweets, because we need to we need to get into the timeline as all good things. Um, do I want to read this one? It's just like, it's not really relevant. I mean, obviously the whole shoe thing. You know what? The shoe thing's played out. We're not doing that one. Let's look at uh uh what did I get up from from Miranda. Dearest friend of the show, Miranda Nova.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

So we love Miranda Biofort right now. Again.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

This was this was in June last year. I don't know what it was about this period last year. Everybody was everybody was tweeting about like I think we were all going out of time.

SPEAKER_03 28:09

Like 25 June?

SPEAKER_01 28:11

Yeah, like like like Q2.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

Q22. I think I was I think I was like pop, yeah, I think I was going to all the things.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Really? Yeah. I think it was a busy evented out with a motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03 28:23

Because we met in July.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:25

And we were all we were going to a lot of things, yeah. That's true, we do feel vented out.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Yep. I think I think it might be over. Events might be over.

SPEAKER_02 28:33

Once we hit May again, I think it will peak again. I feel like for some reason May we always peak.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Yeah. Right now we're it's just very VC sponsored dinner, is what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Also, yeah, I mean, don't mind if I do. Don't mind if I do. It's also free again.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

We're not hosting dinner.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't mind if you do, don't mind if I come.

SPEAKER_03 28:52

Um definitely not. Uh be my guest.

@mirandanover reaction

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Appreciate it. Sufficient for that. Uh okay. So so Miranda, she says, uh, founders becoming influencers. SF becomes like LA. Better parties, Erwan. We all get hot and famous. Now this hasn't happened yet.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

Oh my god, this is my playbook. This is my growth strategy. Did you might have liked this? Influencer, founder influencer is my entire growth strategy. Maybe I can get into that a bit more.

unknown 29:16

You know?

SPEAKER_02 29:16

You already are, I feel like.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

They're kind of cooking my ass here. I did I did sort of walk into that actually. A bit of a weird thing for me to say. Uh humble prank. I'll leave it in. It's fine.

unknown 29:30

Oh my god.

@baelentina_ reaction + latino parties

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Fucking lost my lost the plot. Okay. Um moving on. Uh, what did you say, Valentina? I got one up here from you. Uh-oh. Oh, so this was just uh actually just last month. Oh. So you were like, you were like, uh, so Valentina. Uh Balentina, I must, I must specify. Uh she says, Teapot doesn't want you to know that there's 500 there's a 500-plus person coalition of Latinos in SF who all work in tech and know how to party. Big if true. It's true. It's true. Big if true. It's true.

SPEAKER_03 30:01

There's an X one that's already planned, it's coming up. Really? Yeah, it's coming up.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Wow. Wow. These are the kinds of interactions that we need. Even Dylan Patel was like bacata flow.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

Bachata. Bacata.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

What does he mean by this?

SPEAKER_03 30:13

Bachata.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

It's like Oh, of course, of course. Sorry, sorry. White boy, Australian. I don't know shit about fly.

SPEAKER_03 30:21

You need to come with us.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

Yeah, I do, I do. I've been too busy Japanese Japanese maxing and you know, like on the timeline.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

But no, but it's true. There's like, it's an entire group of people that has your philosophy of like, we're just all friends, we just all have fun. But also everyone is like, you're already in the city. You don't need to like like um, you don't need to look for people who are professional and smart because everyone already mostly is yeah, and the city the city is the great filter. So we just look for people who are like good at dancing and like like Hispanic music, and then you know, naturally everyone's also like a pretty good founder, pretty good VC.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

You're gonna come out to this. I know Nicole would.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Yeah, I would love to dance my ass off. I love dancing. I'm like such a dancer, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:03

I can sense that.

SPEAKER_02 31:04

Yeah, I'm I'll go wild on the dance floor, like sober too. I'm just like out there. That's what I do. Yeah, I actually love sober dancing.

SPEAKER_03 31:12

I would love to see you guys sober salsa. The only sober guy at a party? Totally know me.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Yeah. I always always rag on those that don't drink, but um, I'm also kind of that.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

Uh you could get away with murder, Dayden. They love you.

another @sonofalli reaction <3

@winternet reaction

SPEAKER_01 31:30

She said it. I appreciate this a lot. I appreciate this a lot. What else do we have here on the party front? Um there's a fair bit, another one of Allie's. Um she says uh this is actually what every interaction at an SF party looks like. The son of Allie. So she's got, of course, she's got um, you know, Alex. Frozen in fear. Pretty classic. So for those that are listening, um, we got Molly O'Shea and Alex Carp, who's just uh looks like he's just spurging out. Um as he's as as as he does. Right? And it looks, it does look like a pretty classic um SF party interaction. And I had one more here for the SF parties. Oh, um, so Winnie Winternet, another friend of the show, she says, This is a joke, but you shouldn't be allowed to throw parties in SF if you didn't go to them in college.

SPEAKER_03 32:24

Yeah, I mean, how people are gonna do these parties dropped out of college. So they're just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

They're trying to recreate it.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

Who has the best parties in SF other than you? Other than Mott's.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

Hey, look, I'm not gonna fish in that, but no, I already know.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

Um, and I'm like, and did they go to college?

SPEAKER_03 32:43

Latin group? They all went to college. Yeah. Oh, I think.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

I feel like I might know the group you're talking about, but I'm not sure. Is it is one of the DJ, I forget his name though. Is one of the DJs the a guy with glasses? He's like a little shorter.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

Short guy with glasses.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Sorry, okay, I'll look for him later.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

We'll see, we'll see what we'll see what people on the timeline if they can identify the man is.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

I think the autist. I know who you're telling me. We'll confirm out of the I I can't, I'm gatekeeping it.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Valentine is like, I know exactly who you are.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

We're gatekeeping this this organization or this community. Apologies.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Does he have a nose? Valentine's like, I fucking know exactly who that is.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

Wait, I think she knows who I'm thinking about. Oh shit I do, I do, I do. I think we aligned. I think we aligned.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

We connected. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

I mean, for you know, for those not that are not in the room.

SPEAKER_03 33:36

I got it.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

I did feel the energy. Um, but you know, like I think as an ally, I just need to say that. Uh and you know, we can we can go from there.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

confrontation in SF

SPEAKER_01 33:45

Yeah. Yeah, I I think they're right. Okay, so to uh to the next one. And we'll make this one uh what we definitely wanted to cover confrontation, something that people don't speak about much. Go fuck it, figure. In San Francisco. You gotta live it, you gotta live it. Um before I do, uh the segment sponsor for this one is More FLM, Tejas, Legend, uh Morph LLM models that improve coding agents. Really, really love this startup because they improve coding agents, and we all use coding agents. Um there you go, I just said the same thing twice. Uh but basically they, you know, they they released a uh you know, they released their um their their Swede rep model, of course. Basically, what they're solving for is uh agents doing search and shit, right? So like agents spend a lot of the time when they're coding and they're doing the little thing, they spend 60% of their time actually searching for code. So what if you simply build a model that solves the searching? This is how you explain Lycum 5, right? Very, very important. Um, that's why they pay mods to do it, and you know, the engineers can do their engineering thing and you know be really, really cracked. Like Tejas and the guys are. Uh and so anyway, Morph LN. Interesting. Morph Ln.com. Go ahead and check them out. Absolutely, absolutely. Okay, getting into confrontation. Now, of course, I don't really have any tweets here, but it is something that I would say is kind of missing in SF. Confrontation.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

It's D N E, it does not exist.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

Underground. I mean, what do you what do you mean by underground?

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Like I feel like we're all passive aggressive in SF. I feel like passive aggressiveness is like the go-to go-to instead of confrontation. And honestly, maybe we should start a confrontation movement.

SPEAKER_03 35:29

I mean, I have a theory about this, which is like there's Sam Alman and there's Elon, and they kind of like, you know, tweet at each other, but there's never, you know, there's not like an actual like it's very canceling. I doubt that they're actually meeting one person and like, you know, maybe talk about this or resolve this. So it's you kind of see it everywhere. I think that the reason behind it is that everyone here is aware that we're all playing like long-term games. Yeah. And this repeated like game theory that we're all doing the math of, yeah, it kind of um it doesn't allow for good confrontation because like one bad experience with a person might leave you like salty with them for life, and like, you know, you will have to interact with these people for the next decade.

SPEAKER_04 36:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

So that makes it skewed against confrontation, the game theory of it, but actually, I think that is that is misjudged. I think that confrontation is actually an opportunity to have a better relationship with a person because it means that A, you care enough about them to kind of let them know that what they're doing is maybe antisocial. And B, you know, you don't hold on to it, you can like let them know that what they're doing isn't is wrong, it's annoying. And maybe align them to be more pro-social and like actually overcome something and make SF a better place to live in because now it's more pro-social. Yeah, they need constant alignment and fine-tuning, just like our agents.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

Always gonna wind in the agents, don't mind if we do it. More fell LM.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

That's it's a segment sponsor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was perfect.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

That was sponsored confrontation. I think Tejas would be pretty confrontational. I mean, he's easy to big guy. Like, we actually, like, we know we in order to in order to facilitate the Mott's more F L L M partnership, we were in the gym, and so it's like, I don't know. I mean, I I I I mean I feel like um, you know, it is I I wonder if it's like not just an SF thing, but more a California thing. Obviously it's amplified here because everybody's transient, right? And everybody's sort of like, you know, trying not to step on other people's toes, and you know, I think there is a bit of trying to stay on people's good side, unless you're on X.com, the Everything app, in which you just, I don't know, just fucking rage bait. It's ridiculous. And and you know, and then somehow kind of square that in real life. But it's it's all it's all a bit strange. I don't know. Like, do you have any particular experiences with this, Nicole?

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Confrontation in general. Well, I mean, you just beat them up, so I feel like honestly, like very aggressive. I feel like honestly, I when I for real, for real, I'm a pretty like reasonable person. Like, I will, I'm more like, hey, let's like figure this out, and like I think you're a reasonable person. I'm a reasonable person, I hope. Um but if I am in some kind of mood, I will just be like, I I'd be I'd be down to fit like figure it out in the ring too. Like I'm a very versatile person. Like we can talk it out, we can like be reasonable, we can be intellectual, or we could just dig it out in the ring and like you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 38:14

Yeah, we need to do it.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

Go for it. Duel it out, sure. I'm I'm a v versatile confrontational woman.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Yeah, I mean you're you're like you're a Muay Thai fighting humpest startup founder and a pop star.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

Yes, I'm being becoming a pop star actually as well. So if you want to confront me in any kind of means, go for it. A dance off. Yeah. I will dance you, I will do a dance off too. The only one I don't like is the ex.com confrontations because those are bullshit. Especially if you're like an on an on a non-account. I'm like, this is not real. Oh yeah, you're so not on account.

SPEAKER_03 38:59

That was for me. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

So I got three names.

SPEAKER_03 39:03

Atlas Jaden creates and sex? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

People use them interchangeably now. It's actually.

SPEAKER_03 39:07

We have to say them all after one after the other. It's funny because there's never just one. It's like, oh yeah, we have to say the same three ones. It almost defeats the purpose.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

Well, when when I um when I meet people off of x.com, or sometimes you know, even I meet people in real life, right? It's like like if there's a if there's a contact exchange, I'm always like, hey, it's Jaden in the parentheses, like Atlas creatine, etc. I I do this every single time. Do this every single time. That's good. Um yeah, very um, it's fucking strange stuff, I tell you. It's absolutely it's it's very weird. It's very, very weird. Okay, so before we get into the fourth and final subtopic, and this is the one that I think everybody is waiting for, and I think uh it is always very it's always always very good to have um to it turns out it's actually good to have women uh give their perspective on this because the the dating discourse and the timeline does tend to be very male-dominated when it comes to the San Francisco kind. I don't know why I said it that way. Kind of like reversed it like Yoda. Um like, you know, it's like one of those things in which it's it's a very male-dominated space. I must say, um, you know, a few recent posts, it like does seem to be that the girlies are starting to chime in, and I think I think this is good, I think this is good. Um we'll keep it nice and balanced. Uh if I keep saying this, I think my SFPD case officer is gonna be at my door pretty soon, and I'm gonna get myself in trouble. Uh so I'm just gonna move on to a to to superpower.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

Oh my god, we love superpower!

SF dating

SPEAKER_01 40:32

We love superpower, we love superpower. Of course, you know, we've seen superpower all over the place. Um Max was on TBPN with Skrelly just the other week. I thought he actually did pretty well. As somebody who is, you know, not super, you know, gung-ho when it comes to the peptides thing. I've loved discussing it with Max and the superpower crew, and I thought Max did a really, really good job. And I actually thought he held his own. Uh, and you know, even with Martin sort of like he's got the fucking props and all those sorts of all those sorts of things. Martin's always gonna come out, you know, swinging with like one-liners and that sort of thing. I think Max did a good job. I digress. Basically, superpower building command center for your health, uh, preventative health, you know, they want to be able to give the care that billionaires get for less than 200 bucks. Pretty decent deal. Pretty decent deal. I got my blood taken the other the other week. I um I expect to get my results back. I expect my biological age to be like 15 or whatever. And if it's not, I'll I'll end it. Myself, not not the superpower membership. That's that that's staying that's staying on. That's absolutely staying on. Uh but yeah, backed by real diagnostics, real doctors. You get blood work, biomarkers, performance tracking, personalized protocols, all in one place. I can verify this. I'm a happy superpower customer. Um, duh. Like, fucking of course I am. It'd be kind of weird if I wasn't, actually. It's kind of weird if I didn't use my sponsor's products. Uh that'd be kind of strange. Um, but of course, you know, AI powered insights, they actually help you improve energy, focus, longevity, and performance. Right? Performance. So, data-driven system for people who want to operate at a higher level, right? So, this is this is wellness, this is people that want to improve. Thank you. Superpower, go ahead and check them out. Okay. The segment that we've all been waiting for, uh, dating, right? So we've we've kind of we've sort of been alluding to this a whole bunch with all of the segments, because like I mentioned, all the subtopics, they just all they all melt meld into one.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

It is dating.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

Yeah. Everything's dating, everything's networking, and everything is parties. Yes. Um not everything is confrontation, but I would say that you know it ends up being sprinkled in all of sprinkled in there passively. As you mentioned, right? Passive aggressively.

unknown 42:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

Um, so you know what? I think we can just get into some stuff. I think we can just get into some tweets because we have been making a bunch of dating points. Of course, what we're probably gonna see is a theme. It's like, is it a coffee? Uh yeah, is it a networking uh coffee date or is it a a date? That for whatever reason.

SPEAKER_02 43:05

Or are we just going to a party in the same Uber?

SPEAKER_01 43:08

For whatever reason, I never had that problem in Sydney. I I just just, you know, just just saying. I didn't have that problem in Sydney.

SPEAKER_03 43:14

Um didn't happen in Miami. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

No, well, yeah, it's like people are just a bit more direct there or not.

SPEAKER_03 43:20

Yeah. And in New York. They just ask you out. Would you like to go on a date with me?

SPEAKER_00 43:25

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

You can you can just do things, guys.

SPEAKER_03 43:28

You can just ask women on dates. Yeah. Directly. That's fine. And politely. Just have one place you take all your dates to. You don't even have to think about it.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

The plan is pre- Well, I would do that if I was a guy asking.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

If I was a guy, I'd just like find the omakase place that I love and then become best friends with the chef, and then bam, bam, bam. Just like woman, woman, woman, woman. And then find the woman.

SPEAKER_03 43:51

Find the until you find the woman.

SPEAKER_02 43:52

Yeah. I would go full like optimization man on this. Exactly. This is my founder brain talking.

SPEAKER_01 43:58

It's like finding agents on it.

SPEAKER_03 44:01

Find me the most compatible woman in SF. Make no mistake. I would like a beautiful mid with who works photopic.

@linderps reaction + not dating until series B or some shit

SPEAKER_01 44:13

Like a beautiful mid with a six-figure paycheck, um, three years of experience. Minimum. Minimum. We're cooked. Um there's that's that's certain to say. I think it's good stuff though. Let's let's let's look at what Linda has to say. So Linda, she says, SF might be the only city where girls actually want to date, but the guys are too locked in to give a shit. Have you experienced this before? I'm not sure if I necessarily agree with that. I the the the the whole sort of I think she's playing on the whole not dating till series B thing.

SPEAKER_04 44:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

Um but I do think that that's a psyop. I don't actually think that many people do that.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

Uh I don't think that's my experience, to be honest. I feel like What is it? Guys guys are too I feel like too lock too locked in to give a shit. I feel like they're they're probably locked in and maybe too awkward to know how to ask a woman out on a date, but I feel like a lot I feel like there's like a lot of guys out there shooting their shot for sure.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

Like I think Except except with you, it's just like let's get coffee and then like weird side eye and hand emotions.

unknown 45:19

Okay, it's a cup.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

But it's it's actually in my case, I'm too locked in and autistic because I'll just I'm just like let's all get in an Uber together and go to the partiful vets. It's like me and eight dudes.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

It's funny, I uh one of my so I have a good friend in Australia. Um he's a you know from from the gym. Uh he's like 37, just like gigacharismatic. He's also um he's also an Australian deadlift record holder in his weight class. He's like 5'3, he's so short, but he's like, he's built he's Greek, and he's built like a Greek god. So he's like this 5'3, you know, like Greek Giga Chad, ultra, ultra charismatic. Um and and I am this is related. This is related. There's a reason I bring this up. Because one of the funniest things he ever did is in the gym, um, in this particular gym that we would train at, there was um, you know, a very beautiful woman that would train there all the time, and she was actually dating a much older trainer. And I would say, and we would both say this, this this much older trainer is a bit weird. Bit weird, um, weird methods, uh weird with clients, a little bit weird with women, but for whatever reason, they were a thing at the time. Anyway, my friend being the giga charismatic, sort of like not really giving a sh. He didn't know that they were dating at the time. Um uh she had already given him her number.

SPEAKER_04 46:44

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

And you know, they were sort of like exchanging text, whatever. And, you know, they said hey in the gym. And then like, you know, they were talking, and he was like, like, like the exchange went as follows. Uh he was like, oh, you know, like we we go on these big coastal walks on the weekend, would love for you to come along. Um she was like, Oh, you know, like I'm you know, I'm seeing someone at the moment, uh, you know, I don't think I'd be able to do it. And then and then he was like, Oh, just bring him along. Like, same sort of deal. Bring him along.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

It's a party, like we're all going to the party. Like, why don't we all get in the Uber? Like, get back sell, like, let's get three, like let's round up everyone, let's round up the whole party before the party. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

It's so funny because I was there at the time, and then what another thing that he did is that like this trainer, he comes around the corner, and um, my friend, and I'm not not naming these people on purpose, but my friend, um, he then helps her up to do pull-ups and craps.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

It's like a very strange interaction, just totally mogs the guy.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

Yeah, I mean I love him.

SPEAKER_02 47:51

He's so that's a good one. He's a deeper.

SPEAKER_01 47:53

Usually we get along so well.

SPEAKER_02 47:55

Can you share? Can you bring him here? Let's meet him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

Yeah, he's a legend. He's a legend. Um, but still one of the most iconic interactions I've ever seen. Just like totally mogs the dude. Anyway, uh along those lines, I had to bring it up. I don't know how long that story went for, but I'm glad I brought it up.

SPEAKER_04 48:10

That's great. Necessary details.

@tenobrus reaction

SPEAKER_01 48:12

Necessary details, necessary details. Okay, um, so we got another one here from uh Tin Obris, friend of the show. So from October 2025. He was like, the man in front of me at the Purity Ring show is texting a girl he has saved in his phone as Hannibal. Truly, the SF dating market is gigacorked.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

Hannibal? That's can concerning, if true. What does this mean?

SPEAKER_03 48:33

Maybe it's long for Hannah.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 48:37

But why is he calling the girly Hannibal? Because she eat it like crazy. I don't know. She's carnivorous.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

Oh, we leave that one in here.

SPEAKER_03 48:45

I mean, he's at a purity ring concert. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's concerning.

SPEAKER_02 48:53

Concerning if true.

SPEAKER_03 48:54

That's why.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

Yeah, is that the most important thing?

SPEAKER_03 48:55

Have you listened to Purity Ring? It's like very, like, I don't know. Like, I don't know. It's a specific type of person.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

Very Deva? Little, little, little, little.

SPEAKER_03 49:04

No, it's like, it will, it's kind of like um.

SPEAKER_01 49:06

I've not listened to it, so I'm asking questions.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

Yeah, I don't know either.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

Oh, I know a song off the top of my head, but I don't know if I could like recreate it that well. But it's very like kind of like techno, like, but with lyrics and like very like, you know. The song I'm thinking about is Fine Shrine, for those who know Pierre. Yeah, and it's like, you know, tear my ribs and like put me in a couple, and it's like in a very electronic kind of way. Like I listened to it when I was 15 and edge.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

Just gooning.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Okay, this makes more sense now.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

You make a fine shrine of me.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

Sounds like a gun.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

Guys, we should go to karaoke moths karaoke. No, that I love karaoke.

SPEAKER_01 49:51

Yeah, I need to get Mott's karaoke, I needed Mots roller skating. I like there's so many things that so many activities. So many activities that I need to do. I need to get Mots hats.

SPEAKER_02 50:01

Oh my god. Can you get friends of the show like on a hat? I would wear that all the time.

@creebeauvoir reaction + the poly thing

SPEAKER_01 50:06

Mots will not sell merch because um, you know, people will naturally rip it off. Um, but I'm happy to give them out to friends of the show. Uh looking into this, looking into this. Okay, last one here, last one here, because um, you know, I have no idea how long we've been going for, but you know, I think it's been incredible. It's been great, it's been great. Um Cree, Cree Beauvoir. Uh so not friends of the show, she says, questions I'm asking now before agreeing to a date in SF. One, are you wanting casual or serious? Two, is this coffee networking friends or a date? I can never tell. Three, are you dating four other girls? I feel like the the third one's gotta be slightly more rare, or is that just a I guess it's a Polly thing? Because she is quoting, she is quote tweeting herself in which she she went on a date with a guy that she found out was Polly. Have you guys ever ended up going on a date with somebody who was who turned out to be Polly? I've definitely not had that experience, although I just I just not felt the touch of a woman in like nine years. So there is that, but moved here.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

I went on a date with a guy. I first moved here. Like this was like a month, like fresh off the plane from New York City. And I went on a date with this guy that I think I had met in person, so it felt like safe. Like, you know, we already had a vibe in person. We go on this date, and we were meeting up to like have a have some wine before going out to like a dance. Yeah, and as we're like drinking the wine, we're kind of like going over some of our experiences, you know. Um and he mentions that he knows most of the glory holes in San Francisco.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

Yeah, it's a weird, it's a weird, weird thing to say.

SPEAKER_03 51:43

At that moment, I was like, I thought he was like kidding, because you know, I feel like I have a sense of humor.

SPEAKER_04 51:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

But he's fucking around now. And I was like, oh, okay, I might have to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I left. We did not go to the club that night. I yeah, it was so not to kink shame, but yeah, I mean, you know. Not a polycule, but in a way it's kind of sharing a lot of trust.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

A lot of body seems to be that way, you know. I mean, can't can't say I've experienced these sorts of things, but you know, I think yeah, yeah, you like you like what you like, and then that's and that's fine. Well, I mean, I'm I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

This is a second day, also. Really? Yeah, yeah, it was like, you know, we're just getting to know each other. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 52:22

Crazy.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

I mean, I take I take you've not had any experience with this sort of thing, Nicole.

SPEAKER_02 52:26

I'm just like, well. No, no, no, you did not at all. Very somebody. I I have not had experiences like this. But to be fair, I feel like of the two of you, I'm probably the most, like, I have not had a lot of experience even getting past a date. Like, I was dating people and then like and then I like I just don't optimize for I'm not optimizing for love or sex right now. I'm optimizing for like fun and stabbing people and pumping my startup.

SPEAKER_04 53:00

Yeah, yeah. Many such cases. Many such cases.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and and that, you know, and that that's that's you know, I think a lot of people are in the same boat in in in the major cities, in SF in particular, right?

SPEAKER_03 53:11

I think people in polycles don't want to date me.

SPEAKER_01 53:13

Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_03 53:14

I mean I'm Latina. I don't think I don't think I give the aura. I have five personalities in here. They don't need to date five different people in me. I mean, it's like ten people, they know what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

So you're saying your boyfriend's actually poly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:27

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 53:30

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Derived from first principles.

SPEAKER_02 53:34

Oh yeah. Oh my god. I honestly agree. I feel like I have ten people in me, like, I don't think I attract the Polly people. I think I find the like men who like the the girl who's just like 10 people in a genetic and then stabs things and plays the harp.

SPEAKER_01 53:51

And and stabs them? Are they into that?

SPEAKER_02 53:54

If they're into that, I mean, I guess maybe I attract those people as well. The DMs are sick.

SPEAKER_04 54:00

Oh no, I'm not sure. DMs are sick.

SPEAKER_03 54:04

You guys are crazy. Get it together.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

And some of the DMs, I'm like, I'm like, boy, I actually want to help you. Like, do you want to hug? Like, oh my gosh! Like, oh my god, these poor people. I'm like, I think you need a hug instead of like that thing you just I read with my two eyeballs.

SPEAKER_01 54:25

Yeah, it is, it is, you know, I think the message requests, again, I I can assume because you know, I I think the thing is, um, x.com not necessarily the greatest place to be as a woman. Um, the x.com message requests even worse. Uh it you know, it turns out it's a terrible day to read uh when when they are opened. If they're bad for me, I can imagine I can't really imagine what they would be for you guys.

SPEAKER_02 54:47

Um I I don't even read them. I'm just like, I don't even yeah, I I don't even see it.

unknown 54:54

Yeah.

dating in SF is good actually

SPEAKER_01 54:54

I think probably good call. Probably good call. Um I wonder if I wonder how we can like wrap this on a slightly happier note. We kinda wait. We can't we're just grieving now. Message requests fucking suck, everyone's poly. I I I I think I have it. I think I have it. Uh basically, basically, the the cool thing about dating in SF is that everybody's doing something cool generally. Yeah and everyone's very clever and everybody makes a decent amount of money. And so there's like a lot of these, you know, a lot of p th things that people might look to filter for outside of say San Francisco, New York. Most people have it. Uh most people have some sort of quirk, right? There's somebody out there for everybody. Oh, yeah. Right in SF. Uh, you know, for the for the for the weird and and wonderful, and that there is somebody there.

SPEAKER_03 55:39

Yeah, glory hall guy will find his other one.

SPEAKER_01 55:41

Of course. Oh, he's probably find lots of them.

SPEAKER_03 55:46

Matter of fact.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

Yeah, matter of fact, it's probably how he knows.

SPEAKER_03 55:50

So true.

SPEAKER_01 55:51

Someone out there even for the glory hall guy.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

Everyone deserves love. That's true. I agree. And there's no better place to find it than the center of the universe.

SPEAKER_01 55:59

Yeah, I would say that's the and that is the narrative violation, right? I think SF, I think at the end of the day, you know, everybody's you know a little bit more neurotic, everybody's kind of, you know, working hard on their stuff, you know, like like people have, you know, a lot of people won't be ready to date at all, and those that are ready might find that frustrating, and vice versa. But you know, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, um, there is somebody out there for everyone in SF. Uh, and you know, I um I even the guy that's not felt the touch of a woman in nine years would say it's not as bad as you think. It's not as bad as you think. Um, you know, I like I there are yeah, I I yeah, I I've seen I've seen most people have at least like one good experience. So there's that.

SPEAKER_03 56:42

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 56:43

And people here are like kind of saying shit now, but they love you for who you are.

SPEAKER_03 56:48

Also, I think that being good at dating, I guess that might, you know, people here might be kind of bad at dating in the sense of like, yeah, come to this particle. But I think do think that they put their heart out there, they wear their they wear their heart on the sleeves, like um versus like being good at dating in New York or Miami, that just means you're kind of like not taking anybody seriously.

SPEAKER_04 57:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:05

Versus here, if someone's willing to, you know, put aside their company or whatever they're working on to make time to go on a date with you, that is really high signal. Yeah. Any date you go on here is worth 10 dates in New York minimum.

SPEAKER_04 57:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:18

That's true. I do think people here are very earnest when they like putting aside all the like all the sh all the shit, like everyone's very earnest and passionate here. And if they do actually really, really like you, they will make time for you and it will be lovely and beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 57:36

But before the series be. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 57:41

And SF in general has wonderful people and friends that you can make, like three of us. We have had an incredible time yapping.

SPEAKER_01 57:52

It's nearly 10 pm on a fucking Wednesday.

SPEAKER_02 57:56

Oh my god, we've been yapping for like two hours. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:59

It's been a while, it's been a while. This will be you know, I I mean, I'll I'll I'll wait to see how long it goes for, but I think it's a good place to rap. I think it's a good place to rap. You've been listening to another episode of Members of Technical Staff. We'll go ahead and see you on the timeline again real soon.